{"id":3967,"date":"2025-06-30T11:43:46","date_gmt":"2025-06-30T08:43:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/?p=3967"},"modified":"2025-06-30T11:44:40","modified_gmt":"2025-06-30T08:44:40","slug":"choreographer-from-germany-jefta-van-dinther-im-interested-in-bodies-that-not-only-move-but-also-speak","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/en\/choreographer-from-germany-jefta-van-dinther-im-interested-in-bodies-that-not-only-move-but-also-speak\/","title":{"rendered":"Choreographer from Germany Jefta Van Dinther: \u2018I\u2019m Interested in Bodies That Not Only Move, But Also Speak\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">On May 15th and 16th, Swedish choreographer Jefta van Dinther, who is based in Germany, presented his performance at the international contemporary dance festival NEW BALTIC DANCE. His work UNEARTH breaks down conventional dance performance stereotypes and invites the audience into an experience that promises to be transformative. In this nearly four-hour spectacle, 12 dancers appear on stage, including the choreographer himself. They use not only their bodies but also their voices. Repetition of movements and sounds allows for the continual re-experiencing of emerging emotions, facilitating the affect of ritual in communion with others while reminding us of life\u2019s impermanence. And these are just a few of the themes that Jefta van Dinther touches upon in his work.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The choreographer spoke with Aist\u0117 Audickait\u0117.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3968\" src=\"https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025-05-17-114-photo-D.Matvejev.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"3000\" height=\"2000\" srcset=\"https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025-05-17-114-photo-D.Matvejev.jpg 3000w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025-05-17-114-photo-D.Matvejev-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025-05-17-114-photo-D.Matvejev-800x533.jpg 800w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025-05-17-114-photo-D.Matvejev-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025-05-17-114-photo-D.Matvejev-391x260.jpg 391w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025-05-17-114-photo-D.Matvejev-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025-05-17-114-photo-D.Matvejev-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 3000px) 100vw, 3000px\" \/><\/span><\/b><em>Jefta van Dinther. Photo by D. Metvejev.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Please tell us how the idea for UNEARTH was born? What kind of work were you looking to create?<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">For more than a decade, I have created performances for \u2018black box\u2019 theatres or large spaces where light, sound, and scenography played significant roles. When creating UNEARTH, I felt the desire to produce work that wasn\u2019t quite so technically complex. I also wanted to return to that feeling I often experience in the studio: when rehearsing, without any special effects, the dancers\u2019 moving bodies alone create an atmosphere. That\u2019s precisely what I wanted to bring to the stage.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Additionally, this time I wanted to incorporate voice into the performance. For me, the voice is one of those forces you simply cannot ignore when you are surrounded by it: it draws you in even more strongly than the body. Singing and dancing were a natural part of community life for me as a child. Although I was never a choir boy myself, I grew up in a religious environment, which meant that I would often sing and dance. Singing in a group brings people together. That\u2019s precisely what I wanted to incorporate in my work.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Another important element in the show is pop songs, which have been reworked for the purpose of this piece. I believe some audience members will recognise most of the songs, while others won\u2019t recognise any. I found it interesting to work with pre-existing material both from pop culture, the wider music world, and from my personal creative archive. In my day, it was common to listen to an album countless times. I remember how I would repeat songs from albums by \u2018The Smashing Pumpkins\u2019 or \u2018The Cure\u2019, over and over, as if wanting to relive memories and emotions. This phenomenon of repetition and rebirth ended up playing a key role in structuring the performance. If you watch the preview, you may not notice this, but throughout the entire performance, the same song might be performed live for 20 minutes or even longer. So, the entire show isn\u2019t just about bodies or sound, but also about being together, the power of repetition, and shared emotional experience.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Could you name some songs that are performed in the show, but which the audience might not recognise?<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Several songs by PJ Harvey feature in the performance, and some are so reworked that they\u2019re almost impossible to recognise. For example, her album <\/span><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea<\/span><\/i><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> is particularly special to me, and I believe people who have a similar connection with it will suddenly recognise not the lyrics themselves, but fragments of melodies that repeat somewhere in the background, while watching the performance. This creates a sort of time-travel effect: as if people were being transported to their personal experiences and memories.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">For instance, ABBA\u2019s song \u2018SOS\u2019 is clearly audible, but we change its key in the performance. Originally, it was written in a major key, which gives it an uplifting mood, but when you change the key, you feel how truly sad it is. After all, it\u2019s a cry for help \u2013 SOS.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">How much of your personal experience will we find in this production?<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">To be honest, all my performances are quite autobiographical, in a sense. My creative process always involves deep personal aspects. This could be my life experiences, current activities, or my interpretation of the world.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">However, self-reflection doesn\u2019t interest me as the work\u2019s main purpose: I\u2019m not focused on myself or searching for my identity. Moreover, I avoid very direct references to personal experiences. During the creative process, we strive to make the work universal \u2013 leaving room for interpretation and existing within a field of associations. I want the viewer to be able to immerse themselves in it, to bring a part of themselves and their life experience into it.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Notwithstanding this, I think my works are often very emotional, psychological, and filled with imagination. Perhaps this is because they contain a strong personal history, even if it isn\u2019t directly expressed.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">What themes are explored in the performance?<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">For me, this piece connects with the past and its revival. I think that, as humans, it is only by understanding the past that we can attempt to live in the present. And therein lies a kind of mourning: it\u2019s reflected not only in the show\u2019s general atmosphere but also in the song lyrics \u2013 some lines repeat again and again, as if stuck in time.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">This is my attempt at getting closer to the body and its expression. I\u2019m interested in how people express their emotions through singing: how it becomes a deeply physical process. I\u2019m not interested in a beautiful voice but rather in how a voice breaks, is strained, or, when softened, becomes vulnerable. All of this creates an expression of something like suffering, pain, memory, and loss. But at the same time, it\u2019s also a way of being together \u2013 reviving something together. For me, this balance between heaviness and harmoniousness is special.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3592\" src=\"https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/220804_JvD_Unearth_by_Jubal_Battisti_0849-2-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1499\" height=\"1000\" srcset=\"https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/220804_JvD_Unearth_by_Jubal_Battisti_0849-2-1.jpg 1499w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/220804_JvD_Unearth_by_Jubal_Battisti_0849-2-1-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/220804_JvD_Unearth_by_Jubal_Battisti_0849-2-1-800x534.jpg 800w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/220804_JvD_Unearth_by_Jubal_Battisti_0849-2-1-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/220804_JvD_Unearth_by_Jubal_Battisti_0849-2-1-391x260.jpg 391w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1499px) 100vw, 1499px\" \/><\/span><\/b><em>Jefta van Dinther\u2019s UNEARTH. Photo by Jubal Battisti.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Not only do the show\u2019s performers dance, but they also sing. How did the dancer selection process take place?<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">It all happened very naturally. I\u2019m Swedish, but I\u2019ve lived in Berlin for sixteen years. About three or four years ago, I decided that I wanted to work more where I live and create a local community. Essentially, I resolved to form a dance troupe, and for that, I needed local artists. I held closed auditions. It wasn\u2019t important to me that the dancers be professional singers. What mattered more was their willingness to accept the challenge, and their interest in the process itself. Of course, it was also important for them to be able to hold the right pitch because we didn\u2019t have any additional audio support. Out of all the participants, only two had previously sung on stage, while the others never had. Because of this, we dedicated almost half of our rehearsal time to singing: voice exercises and vocal rehearsals with a vocal coach who teaches Tyrolean and choral singing. She did an incredible job of helping everyone to find their voice.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Now in the performance, all the artists except me have something of a solo moment: a moment in a song where they feel at their strongest. We continue to work with all of them in other performances, incorporating singing more and more. And I must say that I\u2019ve been incredibly lucky with this team \u2013 they are simply amazing!<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Your works often explore, in one way or another, the theme of what it means to be human. What, in your opinion, defines humanity?<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">I feel that it\u2019s very human to constantly linger in the past or the future, rarely in the present. Also, having a voice makes us human. A cat can make a sound that resembles a voice, but we don\u2019t call it that.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Moreover, humanity can be defined by sense of community and rituals. Behaviour is a way of organising actions, and ritual is a more advanced structuring mechanism. It can be orientated not only towards practical things, such as work or hunger, but also towards something abstract: something that isn\u2019t directly useful or productive, but instead provides emotional resonance.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">How would you like audiences to experience your performance?<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">One of the major questions we raised when creating this work was: \u2018What do we want from the audience?\u2019 Working with someone who has extensive experience showcasing dance in museums, I realised that we didn\u2019t want anything specific from the audience. Of course, we aim for the performance to lead in a certain direction, but we don\u2019t want to pressure viewers to react in one way or another. We engage the audience but also allow them a degree of freedom. They can move around or stay put, and close their eyes and just listen, because the performance also works as an auditory experience. But when a viewer closes their eyes, someone might touch their hand. And how would they react? Well, that\u2019s the moment of a human encounter. When we put on the performance in a church in Berlin, the entire audience just sat or lay on the floor \u2013 about 200 people \u2013 as we were moving among them.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">In Vilnius, you were performing in a former factory space. How does the venue influence the performance?<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Although this show was created for a \u2018white cube\u2019 space, I find it the least interesting. We often show performances in churches, we have performed in industrial spaces, and twice in a gallery. The venue changes the perception of the work. For example, we held one performance in an industrial hall in Brussels, and I think it was one of our strongest shows because the space evoked a sense of mystery and mystique.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3345\" src=\"https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/220804_JvD_Unearth_by_Jubal_Battisti_4517-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1500\" height=\"1001\" srcset=\"https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/220804_JvD_Unearth_by_Jubal_Battisti_4517-1.jpg 1500w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/220804_JvD_Unearth_by_Jubal_Battisti_4517-1-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/220804_JvD_Unearth_by_Jubal_Battisti_4517-1-800x534.jpg 800w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/220804_JvD_Unearth_by_Jubal_Battisti_4517-1-768x513.jpg 768w, https:\/\/newbalticdance.lt\/wp-content\/uploads\/220804_JvD_Unearth_by_Jubal_Battisti_4517-1-391x260.jpg 391w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1500px) 100vw, 1500px\" \/><\/span><\/b><em>Jefta van Dinther\u2019s UNEARTH. Photo by Jubal Battisti.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The theme of this year\u2019s NEW BALTIC DANCE festival is \u2018body speaks\u2019. What do the bodies in your performance tell us?<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">It\u2019s very interesting that you mention this because I\u2019m currently working on a new piece scheduled to premiere this November. It will feature two dancers with hearing impairments and a hearing child of deaf parents. In this work, we are using sign language, movements, and signs in the broader sense. All my previous works have been about the speaking body, but now the body as a means of communication has become the key focus.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">I\u2019ve always perceived the body as a contextual phenomenon: communal, social and political. I\u2019m interested in a body that not only moves but also expresses something and addresses others. Therefore, signs and symbols have always constituted an important part of my creative work. Paradoxically, although dance is my medium and creative tool, I don\u2019t fundamentally feel as though I were a representative of dance in the classical sense: I\u2019m more interested in dance as a form of communication.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">What themes currently interest you?<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">My idea for the future is to work not only with deaf performers but also with a deaf audience. This would mean that the work would be orientated specifically towards them. I understand that deaf people will never make up the majority in the audience, so the performance will need to work on two levels. But this very dilemma \u2013 of how to make the visual speak \u2013 is very interesting to me now.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Do you always want to explore something, to look for something new?<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">With age, we learn: it just comes naturally to us. I\u2019ve now created about 15 works, and for the past three years, I\u2019ve been working with voice, so it is only natural that these themes make their way into my creations. However, I remain endlessly curious. And I must admit I have the best job in the world. It\u2019s a job that turns external things into internal ones, and all this happens through relationships with other people. I find that very beautiful.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6,&quot;335559739&quot;:160}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On May 15th and 16th, Swedish choreographer Jefta van Dinther, who is based in Germany, presented his performance at the international contemporary dance festival NEW BALTIC DANCE. 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